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shiva said in November 28th, 2009 at 22:26

I’ve never been a member of the Autism Hub, but i’ve had several people suggest i join or ask me why i wasn’t a member of it. My main reasons were a) i didn’t actually know (and possibly still don’t know) how to get on it, and b) that i wasn’t sure that they’d want someone who posts about a very wide range of topics (although they’re all connected in my head, the connections are probably in the realm of what you call “widgets”), and only occasionally directly about autism (although, of course, everything i write is “coloured” or influenced by my autistic perspective).

You’ve made me realise another, perhaps subconscious, reason though - that, yes, the whole idea of “autistic community” is a bit… odd to me, and potentially loaded with all sorts of ideas that are arguably very prejudiced against non-autistic disabled people (as well as the hierarchies within and between autistic people). I’d identify much more strongly as a “disability rights blogger”, or even just “disability blogger”, than “autism blogger”. (Although, if i was to choose just one word to preface “blogger”, it would most likely be something like “anarchist” or “libertarian”… if both those words hadn’t been massively distorted in popular political discourse from their literal meanings. Or maybe “anti-hierarchy” or “anti-oppression”… but, yeah. Widgets, so i’ll stop.)

My blog is sort of “down for refurbishment” at the moment, but, ironically, one of the things i was intending to do, once i’d got it refurbished into a form i’m happy with, was finding out how to join the Autism Hub. I now probably won’t, though…

(You’ve also reminded me that i need to get in touch with Anne, so thanks. Also, thanks for inspiring me to start blogging in the first place, if i’ve never said that to you before.)

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sanabituranima said in November 29th, 2009 at 0:05

It is very easy to say, “I want society’s definition of acceptable human to be stretched far enough to include me.”

It is very hard to say “I want society’s definition of acceptable human to be stretched far enough to include everybody, including people very different to me, people I don’t agree with, people I don’t like and people I benefit from having power over.”

I am not on autism hub and am not autistic. I think that what you have said, however, is very relevant to me.

When I decide I’m a “good guy” then it makes it very hard for me to see when I’m wrong. When I decide I am a “good guy” I stop listening to thoe I am allegedly helping and start speaking for them. When I decide I’m a “god guy” I can ignore my own privilege. When I decide I’m a “good guy”, I can pretend that using the right theoretical terms to describe injustice absolves me from having to anything to stop injustice. When I decide I’m a “good guy”, I can behave unethically as long as I still use the right words and show I understand the corrct theory. When I decide I am a “good guy” I can decide that knowing a theory about certain people means I don;t actually have to listen to those people, because knowing the theory tells me everything I need to know about their experiences.

I can’t think WITHOUT what you call “mental widgets”. I know that this is not intrinsically bad and you never said it was. But the downside is that it is tempting to preted that if I get the widgets to line up properly, then I dont have to check them and see if they fit with reality as well as being internally consistent. It is even tempting to pretned that I don;t have to act ethically as long as I understand the “widgets” properly.

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sanabituranima said in November 29th, 2009 at 0:12

Different communities have different issues, but I think this is very relevant to the problems you described:

http://guerrillamamamedicine.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/anti-racism-what-went-wrong/

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Philip said in November 29th, 2009 at 10:43

I am very pleased for you in your joy of liberation from the entanglement the Autism Hub.

I rarely go there because the blogs on it I want to read are linked from other sites, or I have remembered their names or authors. I thought the Autism Hub was just a collection of autism related blogs, not a discussion forum like Aspies for Freedom or Wrong Planet.

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Jannalou said in November 29th, 2009 at 11:33

I don’t even read the Hub anymore. I have a few of the blogs on my RSS, but that’s about it. I don’t even remember to keep up on my RSS.

One of the things that bothers me about the classifications on the Hub is that I’m simply listed as a ‘professional,’ and that’s not how I blog. Sometimes my posts are about the kids I work with (of which there are none at the moment), and sometimes they are about my own life as a person with ADHD, and sometimes they are about my friendships with autistic adults, and sometimes they are about my friendships with other adults who have different disabilities, and very rarely they are about my relationship with an AS man.

In general, I call it my disability blog, not my autism blog. It’s more accurate.

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Dave Seidel said in November 29th, 2009 at 14:43

For the record, I completely support Amanda in her decision.

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sharon said in November 29th, 2009 at 15:17

Good for you. Of course you must do what feels right to you and if having your blog removed from the Hub group is right then that’s what must be done. Your words are so worth reading that you must feel free to say what you mean and free also from being dragged down by associations you don’t want.

I rarely go onto the Hub site now as I just read all the blogs I like from Google reader. But I did still think of it as a blogring, I hadn’t picked up on the factors that means it isn’t.

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Alexander Cheezem said in November 29th, 2009 at 17:15

Bravo!

I will admit that I cannot comment on what’s been going on in parts of the Hub (as I’m not part of it), but I both can and will applaud your decision to stand up for your principles and beliefs.

I agree that many of the debates are highly oversimplified and often reduced to meaningless rhetoric. I just wish we had better ways to engage in the important discussions… and to introduce people to the actual debates.

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Jesse the K said in November 29th, 2009 at 19:23

This makes so much sense to me. I am very glad that you’re able to post again, in whatever capacity, because your posts make me feel part of something larger than my living room. In my mind you’re a “Social Justice Issues, Wide & Intersectional Perspective” blogger.

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ballastexistenz said in November 29th, 2009 at 22:28

Nobody should apologize for using widgets any more than I should apologize for how I think. Both have their good and bad points and it’s rarely possible to help how your thinking is wired.

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elmindreda said in December 2nd, 2009 at 1:19

Pretty much the same reason I left the Hub, although I didn’t at the time dare explain it openly. I hope the ad hominem responses to your leaving the Hub have been as few as they possibly could.

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ballastexistenz said in December 2nd, 2009 at 12:26

I haven’t encountered any, although I don’t bother reading most places they’d be likely to show up.

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Ivar TJ said in December 2nd, 2009 at 14:59

Prepare to be assimilated into the Groupthink, or else be chastised!

I find that fora are like straitjackets for a developing mindset in the long run.

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The Integral said in December 3rd, 2009 at 17:53

Good job for standing up for yourself and realizing that something just was not for you. One less thing to get overloaded about (if the Hub did make you overloaded reading flame war crap……our blog is part of the Hub but we hardly read from the Hub……just what’s on our blogroll.)

Congratulations. No seriously. It might seem like a stupid thing to congratulate someone for……but hey, you’re doing what’s right for you, which is often very difficult…(hard to see why its right for a long time. ) That’s certainly worthy of congratulations.

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Melody said in December 18th, 2009 at 22:11

Well, I haven’t been reading the messages for a long time, and come to think of it haven’t posted for a long while either, though I did notice some remarks from people back and forth indicating conflict, but I generally like to stay out of that sort of thing unless I think it’s going to directly impact me or someone I’m close to, and even then if it’s not too serious mostly I let others sort things out for themselves.

I definitely think it’s an important take-away to be able to collaborate and connect with others who are radically different, not just in superficial appearances, but in the core way of how they think. And then if it has really been a successful venture, you come to learn that they’re not too different after all (if you can bear the cliche - one of those modes right now where I can be very wordy and express a lot of things, but rarely with much originality).

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